Imranqazi90

Etymology template suggestion

I propose making a template

{{from}}

template, which will automatically add the text such as "سَنَسکرٕٛت پؠٹھٕ آمُت" it in a category such as "سَنَسکرٕٛت پؠٹھٕ آمٕتؠ کٲشِرؠ لَفظٕ". I can also add a transliteration parameter.

Is it acceptable to you? Rishabhbhat (talk) ٠٧:١٣, ٥ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Good idea. Not only it should be Sanskrit, but also Persian and English as these are the three languages where most of the words in Kashmiri are derived from. You can add a transliteration parameter so that we can manually add the transliteration whenever required. Imranqazi90 (talk) ٠٩:٥٥, ٥ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

سَنَسکرٕٛت پؠٹھٕ آمٕتؠ کٲشِرؠ لَفٕظ Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٧:٠٩, ٥ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Imranqazi90 ji I have written the module, please find an example usage at راتھ Rishabhbhat (talk)

Perfect my dear brother. I will start replacing all with the new format. Do you think you can make a template with audio ? So that we can import the audio available from other wiktionaries for the words in English, French, Russian etc. Imranqazi90 (talk) ٠٩:٠٠, ٦ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Imranqazi90 brother there is no need for that, you can simply add any audio file as long as you know its filename, an example is here: User:Rishabhbhat/test Rishabhbhat (talk)

Ha ok brother, thanks a lot :) Imranqazi90 (talk) ١١:٠٤, ٦ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Imranqazi90 can you please mark this account as a bot? It will stop cluttering the recent changes page. RishabhBot (talk) ١٥:١٦, ٢٣ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@RishabhBot @Rishabhbhat ji brother, I am unable to perform this task as I don't have the right given to mark accounts as bot under adminship. This is relevant to a Bureaucrat who could perform this task. As our community is too small, we cannot have a Bureaucrat. I am sorry brother, we will have to manage like that for the moment. It's no problem for me that it clutters the recent changes page. Stay blessed Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٥:٥٦, ٢٣ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Imranqazi90 all right then, I'll continue as before.

Rishabhbhat (talk) ١٦:١٨, ٢٣ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Rishabhbhat ji yes carry on like. By the way, I wanted to congratulate you for your fanatic work. Keep it up. Stay blessed :) Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٦:٢٢, ٢٣ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Proposal for change in current categorisation system

The current categorisation system doesn't seem logical - the parts of speech, gender categories and origin are mixed up in the languages' front page. I propose making it such for each language, example for kashmiri:

• By pos/qism siten

  Navity

  jins siten kashir navity: --> madi navity + nar navity

  navtiky rupy

  halath(case) siten, tedad(number) siten

kravity, bavity, etc also

• By origin/aagur siten

  sanskrit peth

  farsi peth

etc.

Also for sanskrit farsi etc. there can be a category sanskrit/farsi peth amit lafiz.

If you have no objection I can start changing it. Good day!

Rishabhbhat (talk) ٠٦:٣٢, ٢٤ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Rishabhbhat Good idea. You can create new categories but there should still remain within the languages' front pages as it is other wiktionaries and the current categories should be kept within those new categories you proposed as I don't find any objections to them. Before creating them just write down the categories in kashmiri, I will just cross verify the spelling then you can proceed. Once more I would like to congratulate you for your services which are highly appreciable. Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٠:٠٥, ٢٤ جولائی ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

کٲشُر فۄانٛٹ

مےٚ ڈالٕنوو اَنٛگریٖزِ وِکشٕنٔری پؠٹھ فۄانٛٹ یُس زِ کٲشرِس کیُٛتھ وَرتاونہٕ چھُ یِوان. پرٛٲنِس فۄانٛٹَس آسہٕ وارِیاہ کَسَر. وۄنہِ چھِ اَتھ ترٛےٚ ژور نٔوؠ فۄانٛٹ یِم تُہؠ [ڈٲلمٕتِس مَنٛز] ہیٚکِو وُچھِتھ. میٛون چھُ مانُن زِ اَسہِ پَزَن تِمے فۄانٛٹ یَتھ وِکشٕنٔری پؠٹھ وَرتاوٕنؠ یِم گۄڈٕ کٲشرِکؠ سٲرؠ اَچھَر ہؠکَن وارٕ ہٲوِتھ تہٕ بیٚیہِ یِمَن شوٗب تہِ آسہِ. تُہُنٛد کیٛا مانُن؟ Sinonquoi (talk) ٠٥:٣٢, ٦ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Sinonquoi جی یَتھ صَفَس پؠٹھ ینہٕ خٲطرٕ کٔرؠزێو ماف۔ مَگَر مےٚ چھُنہٕ انٛگریٖزی وِکشَنَریٖہَس پؠٹھ کانٛہہ تہِ فَرق وُچھنہٕ یِوان۔ یَتھ فۄانٛٹَس مَنٛز کیٛاہ چھُ خاص چیٖز؟ رِشَبھ بھَٹ - ऋषभ भट (talk) ٠٥:٤٢, ٦ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Sinonquoi مےٚ دِزِ مٲفی اَگَر مےٚ دیُٛتھ ژیر جَواب۔‌ اَز کَل بہٕ چھُس نہٕ زیٛادٕ وِکشَنری اِستعمال کَران کیٛازِ بہٕ چھُس آوُر پَننہِ کامہِ سٟتؠ۔ مےٚ چھُ پۆرمُت اون لایِن پؠٹھ زِ Scheherazade font چھُ اَصٕل کٲشِرؠ اَچھرَن خٲطرٕ۔ تُہؠ ہیٚکِو یہِ پی ڈی ایف [[۱]] تہٕ لِنک [[۲]] وُچھِتھ۔ Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٢:٣٨, ٦ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Oblique case and reconstruction: namespace

What names do you propose for these? For oblique case technically "byakh" is the lit. translation but doesn't seem right to write "byakh halatas manz"... Please suggest. Thx.
The "reconstruction" namespace is for Proto-language words. I really have no idea for it.
رِشَبھ بھَٹ - ऋषभ भट (talk) ٠٥:٣٦, ٢٧ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Rishabhbhat Sorry for late reply as I had quite an hectic day. For oblique case, I can't say much as I just have two things in mind which are badal and doyum. Reconstruction is an hard one in which I am myself clueless for the term 🙈 I saw that in Shauq's Kaeshryuk Grammar he wrote reconstruction as باز تَشکیٖل. I don't know if نٔوؠ بُنؠ یاد (naev' bun'yād) would be suiting as a word for reconstruction ? Btw for dative case, I really feel that دُکرٛٲوؠ is a better term compared to وَرگہٕ. Imranqazi90 (talk) ١٨:٣٩, ٢٧ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

No problem. BTW it would be good if you could join the discord server for Kashmiri Wikimedians. There we can have unrelated, long, or informal discussions. Link, if you are interested, is https://discord.gg/Rk4Crhun رِشَبھ بھَٹ - ऋषभ भट (talk) ٠٨:٢٤, ٢٨ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

@Rishabhbhat I will download the app at the night and join it. No problem 😊 Imranqazi90 (talk) ٠٨:٣١, ٢٨ اَگست ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

لَفظہٕ آگُر

When and why did we start using this instead of لَفظٕ آگُر? رِشَبھ بھَٹ - ऋषभ भट (بَِحَژ صَفہٕ) ١٤:١٩, ١٢ دَسَمبَر ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

That's because toy or zoy letter take up h letter when added a sayi. I never paid attention earlier. Made the changes 2 months back. That's I make the corrections slowly slowly. Imranqazi90 (بَِحَژ صَفہٕ) ١٧:٢٦, ١٢ دَسَمبَر ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

In that case, is a bot operation required? رِشَبھ بھَٹ - ऋषभ भट (بَِحَژ صَفہٕ) ٠٦:١٧, ١٤ دَسَمبَر ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

Yes if possible Imranqazi90 (بَِحَژ صَفہٕ) ١٣:٤٩, ١٤ دَسَمبَر ٢٠٢١ (UTC)

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Hello,

If you know of Kashmiri names for the main asteroids (Ceres, Vesta, etc) or dwarf planets (Pluto, Eris, etc.), we could add their symbols to the navigation template. (I looked, but couldn't find anything.) See the English (or Hindi or Urdu) versions of this template for the objects I've been including.

Best, Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٥:٥٦, ١٨ اَپریل ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

@Kwamikagami Hi dear friend, we don't have kashmiri terms for the main asteroids or dwarf planets as these are particularly new. So for the time being it's better to stick to the planets and to the comet sign. My regards to you Imranqazi90 (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ١٠:٥٥, ١٨ اَپریل ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ١١:٠٠, ١٨ اَپریل ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Hello again,

Are there different words in Kashmiri for 'astronomy' and 'astrology'? Most of the symbols are used for both, but e.g. the comet symbol is only used in astronomy. It might be good to clarify the usage. Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٩:١٢, ٢٧ اَپریل ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Hi, yes we do have different words for it. Will do that. Have a beautiful day ahead :) Imranqazi90 (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ١٠:١٢, ٢٧ اَپریل ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Hello again. Could you add the word 'obsolete' to ⯉? I tried

"پرونٕ",

transliterating from Devanagari, but I'm certain I got it wrong.

Also, for 🜨, how would we say "derived words" or "compound words"?

Thanks. Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٤:٢١, ٢٦ مٔیی ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

@Kwamikagami Hi my dear friend, I fixed the word obsolete. The word پرٛون is actually meaning old. I fixed the word for obsolete. I also added the term compound word for 🜨. Have a beautiful day. Imranqazi90 (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٨:٥٧, ٢٦ مٔیی ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Thanks! Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٩:٢٣, ٢٦ مٔیی ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Hello again,

One hopefully final thing: 🜨 and ♁ don't just mean 'planet Earth' in the astronomical sense. They were originally symbols for 'the world'. Is there a distinction between 'the Earth' and 'the world' in Kashmiri? If so, perhaps we could add 'world' as a second (though related) meaning. Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٠٣:٢٩, ٣١ مٔیی ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Done dear friend. Imranqazi90 (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ١٥:٢١, ١ جوٗن ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

There are also alchemical meanings (planetary metals). I found 'gold' (for the sun), 'silver' (for the moon) and 'copper' (for Venus), but there's also iron, tin and lead, and more recently platinum, antimony and verdigris (the green corrosion found on copper and bronze). If you have the words for those, please ping me. Those meanings are all pretty much obsolete, and I don't know if they occur in any Kashmiri source, but it wouldn't hurt to be complete. Kwamikagami (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ٢٣:٢٦, ٤ جوٗن ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

Added all alchemy meanings dear friend. Imranqazi90 (کَتھ صَفہٕ) ١٤:٥٠, ٥ جوٗن ٢٠٢٢ (UTC)

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